Anyone running Altium & Windows 10?

Discussion in 'Windows Guest OS Discussion' started by DavidE7, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. DavidE7

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    Hi,

    Anyone running Altium successfully under Parallels or VmWare Fusion?

    I'm on a new iMac i7 Retina, 40GB RAM, Radeon Pro 580 8192 MB
    • Paralells Desktop v13 + Windows 10 Pro
    • 4 cores & 16GB assigned to the PC
    • Graphics setting: best for retina, 3D acceleration: DirectX 10

    Even though the hardware is quite extreme It's very slow and laggy. I would expect things to be smooth...

    Thoughts?


    ps. tried a few settings like DirectX9, various scaling options in paralells & windows, but non seem to solve this issue.
     
  2. GeraldC1

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    I had happily been using AD17 on iMac 27 with 32GB under Parallels 13 and Windows 7. Aside from Mac/Windows keyboard issues I found it worked just as well it does on native PC / Windows 7 platform. Unfortunately when I "upgraded" to AD18 the wheels fell off and now AD18 crashes immediately whenever I attempt File Open or any other command that opens a Windows Explorer dialog. Have you been using AD17 or AD18 with Windows 10?
     
  3. AlexW7

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    Damn, this is my experience as well. I've been happily using AD17 in parallels forever, but now that I'm back to it for the first time in a while and trying to use AD18, I can't so much as open a layout. Schematic does seem to work about as well as ever.
     
  4. GeraldC1

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    I reluctantly upgraded to Windows 10 and have not had any issues with AD18 since. The problems I encountered with Windows 7 occurred whenever AD18 accessed ntdll.dll. From what I've seen the performance improvements promised by AD18 have not materialized but I don't see any difference when using it with Parallels 13/ Windows 10 compared to Windows 7.
     
  5. AlexW7

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    For what it's worth, I have zero reasons to recommend Win 7 over 10. It's new and different on the surface, for sure, but everything under the hood seems so much better and more consistent.

    In my case, the machine in question hadn't been used in a bit over a year, so Win10, OSX, and Parallels were all quite out of date. As of my post above, Win10 was mostly updated, but not Parallels or OSX. After upgrading from Parallels 11 to 13 and fully updating Win10, everything seems to be back to normal function - not sure if it's worse or better than 17 yet since I haven't dug in too hard, but it's not horribly borked. No more crashes, and when I open a board layout, I can navigate it without threatening my computer with violence.

    Updating OSX from 10.11 to 10.13 doesn't seem to have had any impact either way, so that's good.
     
  6. AlexW7

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    Well, I can report an update: Unfortunately, it seems that Altium makes such extensive use of DirectX that performance actually is pretty badly degraded. Not unusable, but where AD17 felt near-native, AD18 is definitely noticeably WAY faster when using boot camp.

    Parallels implements DirectX by translating DX API calls to equivalent OpenGL calls. I know VMWare Fusion now as of 10 uses OSX Metal APIs. I'm not sure if they do the same call translation or what, but it seems to me that it might be faster. I'll probably try a VM running under Fusion to see if that's any better.
     
  7. DavidE7

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    Waking up this thread. From Altium 18, now Altium 19, things got terribly slow and I get a lot of odd rendering glitches in the 3D view of altium. Polygons rendering in the wrong order, things like that.

    Team parallels, what is the reason to this? Altium says DirectX 10 or better, why isn't this supported by Parallels yet?
     
  8. CaryD1

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    I have a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2017) 15GB, Radeon Pro unit. I have happily run Parallels and Altium on it the past two years. I must comment that Altium 19.1.6 is very slow lately. The bad thing is I don't know who to blame it on as Parallels recently updated to 15.0.0 and Altium recently updated 19.1.6. Because of my dislike of Altium 19 I typically use Altium 16.1.12 which is very nice and fast ( faster than a 8-Core PC ). I only run Altium 19 when generating STEP files as of late and that is why I can't comment on what the smoking gun is to the slow speed.

    I would too appreciate finding out what I can do to increase the speed of Altium 19.
     
  9. CaryD1

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    Altium says version 19 is different from prior versions. "AD19 uses different video calls than AD16." - Directly from a Customer Service email. I may have to downgrade to Parallels 14 because this issue came up with Parallels 15 and the folks at Parallels claimed they made DirectX improvements.

    Cary
     
  10. DevinS1

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    Agreed! I am also looking to increase the speed of Altium 19.
     
  11. CaryD1

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    I also reported this to Parallels.

    They would like to collect technical data.

    "Please reproduce the issue and collect technical data report along with the screenshot then reply to this email with the ID number using the below article.

    http://kb.parallels.com/9058"

    The bad thing is I got annoyed and downgraded to Parallels 14 so I can't 100% reproduce the situation again unless I upgraded again to Parallels 15.
     
  12. Susanw1

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    That is too bad.
     

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