macOS 15 Sequoia: nested virtualization for M3+ Macs

Discussion in 'Parallels Desktop on a Mac with Apple silicon' started by Sven G, Jun 19, 2024.

  1. Sven G

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  2. SinanK2

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    I'd be happier when they removed the 2 VM hard-limit on macOS VMs.
    Any progress there at all?
     
  3. AndreasK27

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    Now that Parallels Desktop 20 released, can someone please confirm, if they support nested virtualization? I only have 2 M2 machines (with PD Pro licenses) and cannot test this.
     
  4. MTRabbit

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    No, I'm using M3 MacBook Air with macOS 15.1 beta and Parallels 20 installed, my Windows 22H2 vm just complains about the processor doesn't support virtualization.
     
  5. SinanK2

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    The two VM limit per device in macOS is utterly insufferable.
     
  6. Sven G

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    Probably, the Apple virtualization framework doesn't yet support Windows guests, especially for the new nested virtualization feature available - but maybe only for macOS and/or Linux guests? - in macOS 15 Sequoia...? Hopefully, there will be some progress, in the future...
     
  7. Sven G

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    ... BTW, here's one of the first Parallels Desktop 20 quick reviews:

    https://www.howtogeek.com/parallels-desktop-20-release-virtual-machine/

    ... where it also says: "However, there's still no sign of nested virtualization support for Apple Silicon Macs, so you still can't run WSL in a virtual machine or other similar uses cases."

    Let's hope that this essential nested virtualization support will eventually be added also to Windows 11 ARM VMs...
     
  8. MatthewR20

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    This is a limitation of the macOS license agreement and not of Parallels. If you think that this should be changed you can submit feedback to Apple here: https://www.apple.com/feedback/macos/
     
  9. ArionL

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    Shucks. I came to this thread hoping that nested virtualization support in MacOS 15 would mean I could run WSL2 in my Windows ARM guest.. :(
     
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    ... So it will probably be implemented also in Parallels and Fusion, sooner or later.
     
  13. JamesF23

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    What 2 VM limit? I have been running up to five VMs at the same time. You need to be more specific.
     
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    I noticed the other day that I was able to get WSL 2 working on a Windows 11 24H2 virtual machine working, I think that uses Nested Virtualization.
     
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    And I am running the M2 Ultra.
     
  17. JanneH3

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    Just tested with latest Parallels version 20.1.1 (55740) on M3 Pro and Sequoia 15.0.1, still does not work.
    WSL 1 works (as it did on M1 as well), but that's just using a compatibility layer on top of Windows kernel instead of being a real VM. When trying to enable WSL 2, it gives the error message.
    Parallels UI does not have "Enable Nested Virtualisation" button, and the official documentation (updated Oct 11) says it's not supported on ARM Macs: "Nested virtualization is currently not supported for the Apple hypervisor and for macOS virtual machines hosted on both Intel Mac and Apple Silicon Mac."
    https://kb.parallels.com/116239
    I would think Parallels would announce the nested virtualization as a new feature in their release notes, as soon as they get it implemented.
     

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    Interesting as this is what I have:
    Virtual Machine Settings.png WSL Version.png
     
  19. JamesF23

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    Of course I just realized the Ubuntu that was installed was WSL 1 even though WSL 2 is installed.
     
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