Will Parallels die when ARM takes over?

Discussion in 'General Questions' started by Tres Finocchiaro, Dec 8, 2018.

  1. jvh

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    Still no news as A12 ARM Macs are out now ...
     
  2. Tres Finocchiaro

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    The only ARM Macs I'm aware of are the DTS kits from Apple, which aren't yet made available for general use.
     
  3. jvh

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    But they are out, and not hard to get for only 500$, Apple A12Z
    They are already awesome, practically all programs are already working on them ...
     
  4. DionH2

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    Well, M1 Macs are now a reality! I have to admit I wasn't expecting a Mac Mini nor a MacBook _Pro_ at this point. Definitely curious about x64 emulation, and whether the photo/video editing is as good as hyped. I'll be watching :)
     
  5. VictorE

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    Well, it seems that we have good news and bad news. The good news is it seems that Rosetta 2 will use a different approach than the original Rosseta: instead on on-the-fly instruction translation, the new Rosetta will create an ARM-optimized version of the app ON INSTALL, so the conversion process runs only once and then the optimize version is saved on disk. According to Apple, users "won't event notice a difference" when running intel-based apps.

    The bad news is that Rosetta won't be available for ever. Even so, if that level of optimisation can be achieved, maybe the folks at Parallels will be able to create an ARM version of Parallels Desktop that can deliver a decent x86 emulation. We will have to wait a little longer.

    https://medium.com/nerdtastic/macos-big-sur-the-new-rosetta-2-282df45eca11
     
  6. VictorE

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  7. KevinO5

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    I would like to know what the timeline is. Is there a chance parallels will be able to run Windows in the next three months or is this going to be a much longer waiting period?
     
  8. DionH2

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    So the important takeaway that I read in this article is Parallels is not suggesting they have a virtualization scenario ready for x64 virtual machines. My understanding is the Linux VM they demonstrated previously was ARM. It appears even with these changes that what we're going to get is ARM Windows that can potentially run x64 apps through emulation. Lots of question marks in my mind how well that will work...
     
  9. KristianS1

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    Difference is that this time, Apple *could* add instructions to the processor to support virtualization, and mitigate this somewhat.
    Whether they have, or will, remains to be seen, although there is some evidence they might have:

    https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/15/m1-chip-emulating-x86-benchmark/

    There is bit of way to go before the Apple's chips are suitable for power users. Again, it remains to be seen how they will approach this: by increasing the core count or having more and more 'API on a chip'. I'd be willing to bet a bit of both - so perhaps expect a shift away from the traditional CPU competing on clock speed and core count.

    All of this is exciting, if they use the opportunity to really shake up the industry, but for now developers will be clamouring to snap up the remaining Intel based Macs. Apple need to provide clarification, or they will lose a small, but important part of their market.
     

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