Windows 11 Activation Question

Discussion in 'Parallels Desktop for Apple Silicon (M1) Mac' started by SWANDY, Oct 7, 2021.

  1. SWANDY

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    I have a Windows 10 ARM VM on a backup disk. I have running on my iMac a Windows 11 ARM - which was updated previously through the Insider program to build 22000.194. Once it was updated to 22000.194, I turned off the updates and signed out of the Insider Program. Since then I have gotten the security definitions as updates like everyone else. But the only key I have is for Windows 10 HOME edition. I have no issues paying MS their $200 fee for a Windows PRO edition (though for my personal use I prefer and only need the HOME edition) but obviously through the Inside Program there was no choice of starting with the HOME versions that I saw.
    And from what I remember reading is if you were running an activated copy of Windows 10 it would be a free upgrade to Windows 11. Is that also true if running the ARM version on a Mac through Parallels?
    Any ideas/suggestions on how I should proceed? Just Wait and see what MS does? Purchase a license key for Windows 11 PRO? Reinstall my Windows 10 ARM and if that will upgrade to Windows 11 ARM (but again, I don't have a PRO license, so not sure if that will even make a difference or leave me where I am now).
    Any advice/suggestions greatly appreciated
     
  2. MichaelH63

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    Since MS doesn't provide an iso to install Windows 11 ARM final, all available installation files are based on Pro Insider builds. Uupdump.net does provide an option to create a Windows Home iso, but their newest build is 22000.160 from the Insider Beta Channel. I don't know if that will actually turn into a Windows Home iso, but it's worth a try. If that doesn't work, wait until uupdump.net offers a final release iso.
     
  3. BradB7

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    @SWANDY

    I found uupdump to have a 194 ARM you can build an ISO from. I made one at work the other day, but have not burned to try and install. By the setup for download, you can specify Home and Pro versions in the wrap up. https://uupdump.net/selectlang.php?id=e306ecc9-681d-4f0c-a7cc-eb33d89fb79f However, it sounds like you want to upgrade from a Home version to a Pro license one? I think you could install the release and then use the microsoft store to upgrade the home license to a pro one instead of paying $200 outright. You used to be able to do that with Windows 10, so I wouldn't be surprised if you could do that on 11 as well. Just a though.
     
  4. SWANDY

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    Thanks for the information. No I would prefer to stick with the home version and license as I have no real need for the Pro version. I have a Home license but it won't work on the version I got from the Insider program which is the PRO version.
    If I do try the Uupdump method, how do I go about building the ISO from what I download as I have never done it before and the only version of Windows I have is the ARM version that I got via the Insider Program. (And the computer I have from work and the ones at work have restrictions on what they can be used for and what can be installed on them.) Thanks
     
  5. MichaelH63

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    https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/clean-install-windows-11
    This article contains a good guide. The process takes some time and it will occasionally look like nothing is progressing. Just be patient until you see the prompt to press 0 to exit.
     
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  6. SWANDY

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    Thanks for the information. But I assume that the ISO version that you end up with is not the ARM version - that is needed to run on an M1 Mac through Parallels. I assume these are the INTEL versions of Windows 11.
     
  7. BradB7

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    @SWANDY No. This will build you an ARM ISO. I used that the other day and it worked fine. I will say that do it in your windows shell. Don't try the Mac side building unless you are familiar with having to download files from github, etc and installing other dependent libraries. It took about an hour on my work computer to use that method that @MichaelH63 put and I've shared on another thread. Burning the ISO to a bootable flash drive is probably the toughest part, but that guide will walk you through it all step-by-step with the FAT32/NTFS formatting issue to make it bootable.
     
  8. SWANDY

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    Thanks for attempting to explain all this to a novice at building ISO files and whatever is necessary to get this to work. Probably showing my lack of knowledge (or perhaps my age) but really don't have a clear idea of what I would have to do - aside from not knowing if the only pure Windows machine I have from work will even allow me to do this type of stuff on it. (I know I had to speak to our tech support just to get Epson drivers installed!)
    Guess I will probably just deal with the Windows 11 ARM that I got from the Insider Program (it is up to build 22000.194) and hope MS will work with the Parallels/Mac users or make an easy way for us to get a "legal" release version. Thanks again.
     
  9. MichaelH63

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    To clarify: The guide I posted (no idea why the forum put it in front of the quote) is written for Windows users. You will need to choose the arm64 option on uupdump to get an ARM iso. Otherwise you can just follow the guide step by step. I never used uupdump before and the guide made it easy.
    If you already have a Windows VM, you can use that to build the iso and copy the file back to your Mac. I don't think you will need to burn it on a disc or use a bootable flash drive. Parallels should be able to use the iso file you create for a new VM (I haven't tried that, though).
     
  10. SWANDY

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    Thanks for the clarification. It sounded like - at least from the little bit of the article I read - which had the link to the Microsoft ISO files - that I would only be able to build an INTEL iso. Perhaps I will try this. Thanks again
     
  11. MichaelH63

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    Written for *Intel* Windows users. This forum could really use an edit feature.
     
  12. SWANDY

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    Tried the link in the earlier forum post and it said the "web server was down". When I tried going directly to UUPDUMP and then selecting the files from the list, the same "server down" came up. Probably try again later.
     
  13. Mike Boreham

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    I have also never used the UUPDump process until yesterday. I had a few false starts and restarts bust got there in the end.
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    After all the long main processes have all finished you are left with an ISOFOLDER. This has to be converted to an actual ISO with the convert tool as a separate operation. The convert tool is in the folder you 'extract all' into at the start.
    The ISOFOLDER contains a setup app which you can use to install directly on the machine you are using if you want, but when I did that the installation wanted a Product Key before it would install. No chance to activate later with an MS account.
    If you use the setup, as I had done, you can't then use the convert tool to produce an ISO. If you want an ISO you have to do it before the setup, so I had to start all over again. My second and third attempts gave me a lot of access denied messages and I ended up telling back the whole VM to start completely all over.
    After doing this I got the ISOFOLDER complete ready to convert to an ISO. The convert tool also gave me some access denied messages but it ended up saying successfully completed and I was able to use it to create a new VM in Parallels.
    When I created a fresh VM using the ISO the install allowed me to complete the installation without activation (no Product Key requirement at the start) and I activated with my MS account afterwards.
    I am sure UUUdump is easy when you are used to it but the whole experience was a bit fraught first time.
     
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    @Mike Boreham I'm sorry you had so many troubles. I downloaded and built the ARM ISO on my Intel Work Mac computer in a VMWare shell running windows 10 enterprise. In my case, I selected the ARM ISO and downloaded the setup and ran the script right on my desktop (renaming the folder with the files to Win11armiso once I downloaded and extracted the Zipped tool. To run the script I only had to right click and install, which automated the whole process all the way to making the actual ISO file. I didn't get any errors that way at all. It was just very slow as including the 'updates' from UUPDUMP had to roll them into the ISO which became quite large. I was a novice with UUPDump as well, Mike, so sorry you struggled with errors.
     
  16. MichaelH63

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    How did you create the iso folder? On macOS or Windows? On Windows it produced an iso file for me, though I haven't tried installing it as I only wanted to try out how uupdump works.
     
  17. Mike Boreham

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    I did it all inside a Windows 10 Parallels VM. The UUUP processes finished ("press 0 to exit") with an ISOFOLDER inside the folder I had created for "extract all" at the start. I then used the convert tool in the "extract all" folder to make an ISO from the ISO folder. The ISO appeared in the "extract all" folder and I dragged into Mac and used it in Parallels for the new VM.
     
  18. Mike Boreham

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    It sounds like you have more idea of what you were doing! I am sure user error and ignorance contributed to my story. :(
     
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    @Mike Boreham I just followed the tomshardware script and it went well. LOL. IT was also my first time using UUPDUMP.
     
  20. SWANDY

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    Hi again. I tried following the instructions here and in the Tom's Hardware article. I think I followed the instructions correctly. But when I clicked on the indicated file from the folder that was downloaded from UUUPDUMP, I received the following error message " CMD DOES NOT SUPPORT UNC PATHS AS CURRENT DIRECTORIES" and that it could not find the ARIA2 file. So I copied all the downloaded files into a single folder named it like they did in the Tom's illustration and got the same error. Is it possibly because I am attempting to do this in a Parallels Windows 11 ARM VM instead of in a VM for Windows 11 (Intel) or the fact I am doing it in a Windows 11 ARM VM instead of in a Windows 10 ARM VM?
    Also, my current VM is Windows 11 ARM PRO in OS BUILD 22000.194. Should I just wait and see what MS will do? Should I try purchasing a Windows 11 PRO key and use it to activate my current VM? (The only key I have is for Windows 10 HOME, so that won't even activate my earlier VM that was Windows 10 but the PRO edition from the Insider Program.) Would hate to throw out $200 to Microsoft if that won't work in the long run - $100 for the Home edition is only half as painful.
    Thanks for any instructions or advice.
     

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